Comments on: The Rabbi and the 10K Question /10k-shul/ For moms who aren't ready to trade sushi for hot dogs. Tue, 09 Oct 2012 02:22:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Laura Bleill (@chambanalaura) /10k-shul/#comment-4008 Laura Bleill (@chambanalaura) Tue, 09 Oct 2012 02:22:55 +0000 /?p=4323#comment-4008 Non-profits are just like businesses: they need to state their case for their value, so you will "buy" what they are selling. What you are describing is a HUGE FAIL in doing that. There are much more effective ways of getting people to see the value of their house of worship. Non-profits are just like businesses: they need to state their case for their value, so you will “buy” what they are selling. What you are describing is a HUGE FAIL in doing that. There are much more effective ways of getting people to see the value of their house of worship.

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By: Estelle /10k-shul/#comment-4007 Estelle Mon, 08 Oct 2012 22:19:09 +0000 /?p=4323#comment-4007 I understand the need for asking; but a blatant ask for $10K, that is inappropriate. I think that should be a targeted mailing, to people they think can afford it. But it was inappropriate to try to guilt people into it, that way. I would register your feelings; but do it as if you were 'educating' them, on a better way to elicit support from the members. I understand the need for asking; but a blatant ask for $10K, that is inappropriate. I think that should be a targeted mailing, to people they think can afford it. But it was inappropriate to try to guilt people into it, that way. I would register your feelings; but do it as if you were ‘educating’ them, on a better way to elicit support from the members.

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By: Melisa /10k-shul/#comment-4006 Melisa Mon, 08 Oct 2012 22:09:13 +0000 /?p=4323#comment-4006 No, you're not off base but if you look at it from a "business standpoint", the High Holidays are when the biggest audience is present. At our temple, the president of the congregation always does a really nice speech about the power of the community and how, "even though funds are needed and we would appreciate your contribution during the High Holidays appeal", we want every single family involved in whatever way(s) they are comfortable. I do think it's wrong to state a suggested amount. Asking for 10K, I imagine, made a whole lot of people feel icky No, you’re not off base but if you look at it from a “business standpoint”, the High Holidays are when the biggest audience is present. At our temple, the president of the congregation always does a really nice speech about the power of the community and how, “even though funds are needed and we would appreciate your contribution during the High Holidays appeal”, we want every single family involved in whatever way(s) they are comfortable.

I do think it’s wrong to state a suggested amount. Asking for 10K, I imagine, made a whole lot of people feel icky

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By: CultureMom /10k-shul/#comment-4005 CultureMom Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:57:55 +0000 /?p=4323#comment-4005 Melissa, thanks for visiting. I don't think that shuls should charge for High Holiday tickets, it stops some people from going. Melissa, thanks for visiting. I don’t think that shuls should charge for High Holiday tickets, it stops some people from going.

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By: CultureMom /10k-shul/#comment-4004 CultureMom Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:55:10 +0000 /?p=4323#comment-4004 Yes, I guess I'm okay with them asking, because that is what they do, but asking for thousands of dollars! Talk about guilt. I have it now. Yes, I guess I’m okay with them asking, because that is what they do, but asking for thousands of dollars! Talk about guilt. I have it now.

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By: CultureMom /10k-shul/#comment-4003 CultureMom Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:54:14 +0000 /?p=4323#comment-4003 Neil, if they publicly announced what we were contributing, I'd crawl into a hole! Neil, if they publicly announced what we were contributing, I’d crawl into a hole!

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By: Melissa /10k-shul/#comment-4002 Melissa Mon, 08 Oct 2012 14:24:35 +0000 /?p=4323#comment-4002 I recently had a conversation with a friend about the discomfort of High Holiday appeals - which at our shul happen on Rosh Hashanah, not Yom Kipur, and the Development Chair made the ask, not the Rabbi. Our High Holiday tickets are free, and one of the reasons for the appeal is to continue the tradition. Still, some of us (my family and my friend's included) struggle to cover membership and Learning Center dues. We also happen to volunteer at lots of committees. Recently the personal call that follows the appeal came. The goal this year was not financial, they explained. It was to widen participation. They know certain families can afford $10K, others only $18. They just wanted everyone to make a show of support. I can live with that. All this to say I totally agree with you. I also did a fair amount of shul hopping to find one where I felt at home, socially and spiritually. I recently had a conversation with a friend about the discomfort of High Holiday appeals – which at our shul happen on Rosh Hashanah, not Yom Kipur, and the Development Chair made the ask, not the Rabbi. Our High Holiday tickets are free, and one of the reasons for the appeal is to continue the tradition. Still, some of us (my family and my friend’s included) struggle to cover membership and Learning Center dues. We also happen to volunteer at lots of committees. Recently the personal call that follows the appeal came. The goal this year was not financial, they explained. It was to widen participation. They know certain families can afford $10K, others only $18. They just wanted everyone to make a show of support. I can live with that. All this to say I totally agree with you. I also did a fair amount of shul hopping to find one where I felt at home, socially and spiritually.

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By: Brian /10k-shul/#comment-4001 Brian Sat, 06 Oct 2012 14:22:33 +0000 /?p=4323#comment-4001 Agree totally with what you say, asking the community to make a pledge is acceptable, but suggesting amounts that they think would be appropriate is going a bit far. In addition, what is worse I think, is when you are charged different prices for tickets according to how close you are to the front. This isn’t a play or a concert, where you need to pay for a better view or to ‘be closer to god’. It should be one price for all, and you sit where you want on a first come first serve basis. Agree totally with what you say, asking the community to make a pledge is acceptable, but suggesting amounts that they think would be appropriate is going a bit far. In addition, what is worse I think, is when you are charged different prices for tickets according to how close you are to the front. This isn’t a play or a concert, where you need to pay for a better view or to ‘be closer to god’. It should be one price for all, and you sit where you want on a first come first serve basis.

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By: Neil /10k-shul/#comment-3999 Neil Sat, 06 Oct 2012 04:24:29 +0000 /?p=4323#comment-3999 This post made me laugh for a personal reason. When I was fourteen, I was so offended by this practice in synagogue that I wrote an angry letter to the rabbi that my mother still keeps folded in a book. I pretty much said the same thing as you. I do think this type of fundraising is a turn-off, especially on Yom Kippur. At the same time, now that I'm older and understand how life works, I know why they do it. They have a captive, guilty-feeling audience, and synagogues do cost a lot of money to run. And this has been going on for generations. In my grandmother's time, they used to publicly announce what each person was giving that year, making it into a competition. I used to be embarrassed by these practices because they almost seemed like fuel for anti-semites -- as if Jewish culture revolved around money rather than spirit. Nowadays, I see it more in a positive light -- I like that the religion is a confused mess of religion and cultural survival. Perhaps this type of mid-century suburban-type synagogue has reached its peak -- it is just too expensive to maintain, and things will go the route of the orthodox -- smaller, more intimate shuls that don't have so much overhead. But for many years, Jews wanted big synagogues with pool and social centers, and someone has to pay for it. There are many successful Jews today, but too often their charity goes more to secular causes such as hospitals and art, leaving synagogues scrambling to cover their costs. It would be nice if there was a better system than the current one. I know quite a few people who avoid going to synagogue because of the cost. I didn't even go to to Yom Kippur services because I didn't have tickets. Oddly, the ones who would most accept me with open arms are the Chabad, but their orthodox services are the one that I least wanted to attend. This post made me laugh for a personal reason. When I was fourteen, I was so offended by this practice in synagogue that I wrote an angry letter to the rabbi that my mother still keeps folded in a book. I pretty much said the same thing as you. I do think this type of fundraising is a turn-off, especially on Yom Kippur. At the same time, now that I’m older and understand how life works, I know why they do it. They have a captive, guilty-feeling audience, and synagogues do cost a lot of money to run. And this has been going on for generations. In my grandmother’s time, they used to publicly announce what each person was giving that year, making it into a competition. I used to be embarrassed by these practices because they almost seemed like fuel for anti-semites — as if Jewish culture revolved around money rather than spirit. Nowadays, I see it more in a positive light — I like that the religion is a confused mess of religion and cultural survival. Perhaps this type of mid-century suburban-type synagogue has reached its peak — it is just too expensive to maintain, and things will go the route of the orthodox — smaller, more intimate shuls that don’t have so much overhead. But for many years, Jews wanted big synagogues with pool and social centers, and someone has to pay for it. There are many successful Jews today, but too often their charity goes more to secular causes such as hospitals and art, leaving synagogues scrambling to cover their costs. It would be nice if there was a better system than the current one. I know quite a few people who avoid going to synagogue because of the cost. I didn’t even go to to Yom Kippur services because I didn’t have tickets. Oddly, the ones who would most accept me with open arms are the Chabad, but their orthodox services are the one that I least wanted to attend.

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